Rangers to honor Graves, Bathgate and Howell

Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:

You could also count the Torrey banner for the Isles as well.

I didn't know our GM had a number! We were talking about retired numbers not banners put up honoring the achievements of people in management. Think and make sure your comment makes sense before you type it.

Clem wrote:

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I didn't know our GM had a number! We were talking about retired numbers not banners put up honoring the achievements of people in management. Think and make sure your comment makes sense before you type it.

It does make sense since we're talking about banners being raised.

We have people here saying the Rangers just want to bring in more money with these banner raisings, but then again, you dont think Torrey's banner raising is on topic ? Spare me. Let me know when the Isles will try to bring in more money at the gate with their "walk of champions" garbage, and hey, lets bring back Arbour again (by the way, the officiating in that game was pathetic).

Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:

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It does make sense since we're talking about banners being raised.
We have people here saying the Rangers just want to bring in more money with these banner raisings, but then again, you dont think Torrey's banner raising is on topic ? Spare me. Let me know when the Isles will try to bring in more money at the gate with their "walk of champions" garbage, and hey, lets bring back Arbour again (by the way, the officiating in that game was pathetic).

I didn't say they "just" want to bring in more money. I said it was a factor... and then in further argument I said it was a core factor but I'd be willing to backpedal to say it is a significant factor.

Minor adjustments, really, but I was never trying to vilify the organization. I don't think the Isles were "just" honoring their history to fill seats and gain dollars either. I think the money factor is/was probably greater for the Isles because they need it more but I can guarantee that accountants had prominent seats at the planning sessions for both teams.

Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:

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It does make sense since we're talking about banners being raised.
We have people here saying the Rangers just want to bring in more money with these banner raisings, but then again, you dont think Torrey's banner raising is on topic ? Spare me. Let me know when the Isles will try to bring in more money at the gate with their "walk of champions" garbage, and hey, lets bring back Arbour again (by the way, the officiating in that game was pathetic).

We were talking about retired numbers not amount of banners raised. Actually we have more banners then just islander banners we have the dragons AFL banners as well. Also at least the Islanders have a history and tradition to celebrate! We didn't go 54 yrs without a cup and then buy all the players on the cup team. We did it the old school way and drafted well and molded the players. But you as a ranger fan I am not suprised that you don't understand the concept.

Brad Delgarano wrote:

THE RANAGERS BLOW AND ALL THE PIE FACE RANAGER FANS HAVE THE STANLEY CUP PARADE ROUTE PLANED ALREADY. WAKE UP THIS TEAM WILL GET BEAT IN THE FIRST OR SECOND ROUND LIKE EVERY YEAR.THE DEFENSE IS BRUTAL AND KING HENRIK IS OVER RATED.PLEASE THEY COULDNT EVEN BEAT THE ISLES LAST SEASON WITH A BACK UP GOALIE WHOS LIKE 5 FOOT NOTHING AND A CAST OF AHL PLAYERS.THE RANGERS ARE SOME SPECIAL TEAM

I agree 110%!! Reddens contract was for way to much 6 and a half million over six yrs for a guy whose numbers have been on the decline in the last few years. Naslund is over the hill and will probably put up similar numbers to Guerins if that. Kalinin is overrated. Fristiche is nothing special and Z kid you got with him has potential if he can put is head on staright. Overall I see a second round exit at best for the Rangers

LIAM wrote:

Ok ok ok I'll say it for ya's. POTVIN SUCKS!!!

Welcome to 2008 Potvin retired 20 yrs ago!

NO CUPS IN 25 wrote:

<quoted text>YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ICEHOLE FAN!! GET LOST AND GO HELPYOUR TEAM SELLOUT A GAME! THA HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE..WELL, THE LAST TIME US RANGER FANS INVADED THE MOSOLEUM!! WE SELL THAT PLACE OUT, NOT ICEHOLE FANS!! IF YOU WANT TO TALK, THEN GO TO THE MOSOLEUM AND BUY SOME TICKETS TO SEE YOUR SORRY TEAM TRY AND WIN A GAME! I KNOW IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN BUT YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH RIGHT? I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR MONEY TO SEE GARBAGE ONSKATES BUT YOU SHOULD STILL SUPPORT THEM. I AM SICK OF YOU ICEHOLE FANS. YOU GUYS ARE SO IGNORANT. SO JEALOUS!! 1983...1983...LOL..NEXT CUP THEYWILL WIN WILL BE WHEN EVERYONE ON THIS PAGE IS DEAD!!! HAHA..SO GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD THAT 1983 IS THE LAST CUP ON LI!! I FEEL BAD...YEH RIGHT!!!LMAO

The only reason there were so many Ranger fans at the last game at the coliseum is because all the islander fans sold them to ranger fans for more money. That is the only reason! Also only 40 or so more years til the rags win another cup. Remeber you guys win them every 54 years.

Clem wrote:

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We were talking about retired numbers not amount of banners raised. Actually we have more banners then just islander banners we have the dragons AFL banners as well. Also at least the Islanders have a history and tradition to celebrate! We didn't go 54 yrs without a cup and then buy all the players on the cup team. We did it the old school way and drafted well and molded the players. But you as a ranger fan I am not suprised that you don't understand the concept.

Lester Patrick meant more to hockey than your Isles team will ever mean.

Have a great weekend.

Clem wrote:

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I agree 110%!! Reddens contract was for way to much 6 and a half million over six yrs for a guy whose numbers have been on the decline in the last few years. Naslund is over the hill and will probably put up similar numbers to Guerins if that. Kalinin is overrated. Fristiche is nothing special and Z kid you got with him has potential if he can put is head on staright. Overall I see a second round exit at best for the Rangers

I agree with most of what you wrote here, just do you dont think Im one of those totally insane Rangers fans who thinks everything an Isles fan says is wrong. I hate the Redden signing. Kalinen, I cant really say is overrated, he's just not that great.

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....just *so (not do)

Ok, ok. Let us take a look at some facts if you want to talk about teams with history. Again, these are just pure facts and I am not starting anything.

The NY Rangers have been in the league since 1926. Let us take a look at some facts.

From 1926-1967- the NYR missed the Playoffs 19 out of 40 times while there were no more than 10 teams at a given time in the league and 6 make the playoffs. This was where they won 3 of their league championships
however they only needed to win 2 short playoff series to do so
because of the few number of teams.

From 1942 to 1967 while there were no more than 6 teams in this
league, they did not qualify for the playoffs 18 times in those
25 years. Of the 7 times that they did qualify in those 25 years,
they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 6 times.

From 1968 through the 2007-08 season (expansion era), they did much better as far as their playoff missing percentage. Only failed to qualify 11 times. 7 of those times in a row from 1998-2004 despite having THE highest payroll in the league.

The NY Islanders entered the league during the 1972-73 season. Since 1972, with at least 21 teams in the league and a 4 round playoff setup, they have missed the playoffs 14 times. Of those 14, 7 in a row from 1994-2001. 4 of those years with the LOWEST league payroll and 1 of those with an owner who bought the team under fraudulent pretenses for not having any money. Of the 20 times that they have qualified for the playoffs in a 4 playoff round system, they have won 4 championships, been to a finals and lost, and lost in the 3rd round 5 times. If you are keeping count, thats 10 out of 30 years that they have went to the 3rd round or further. Now since there were 4 rounds and not 2 since their inception, they own the record for most series victories in a ROW in ANY sport at 19 series wins in a row.

Here are the Rangers and Islanders records from the 1972-73 season through the 2007-08 season.

NY Rangers 2796 GP 1257-1158-326-37-18 2895 points
NY Islanders 2796 GP 1223-1170-357-35-11 2849 points

The Rangers hold the lead by a measly 46 points but keep in mind that the Isles were an expansion team and needed 2 seasons to get accustomed to the league while the Rangers were an established team for 45 years at that point coming off of a Stanley Cup Finals appearance the season before the Isles entered the league.

Not counting the 1972-73 season for both teams since the Isles were new, here is the breakdown.

NY Islanders 2718 GP 1211-1110-351-35-11 2819 points
NY Rangers 2718 GP 1210-1135-318-37-18 2793 points

The Rangers have been the better team for the past 3 seasons. No question about it. However, this thesis is to illustrate to the young ones and people not familiar with history the pure facts. It is amazing how a team that has been around for nearly a century accomplished so little compared to a team that has only been
around for a quarter of the former team's existence. Heck, forget comparing the two. It is just purely amazing how little the Rangers have accomplished. It is more astonishing to see their many failures.

Speaking of failures, here is the NY Rangers playoff record since 1973.

235 GP 116-119

Lets compare it to the Islanders' playoff record over that same time period.

240 GP 134-106

In summary, one can only conclude that just by looking at the facts and putting your team allegiances aside that the NY Islanders, despite their problems throughout the 1990's, have been historically a more succesful product than the NY Rangers.

Clem wrote:

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We were talking about retired numbers not amount of banners raised. Actually we have more banners then just islander banners we have the dragons AFL banners as well. Also at least the Islanders have a history and tradition to celebrate! We didn't go 54 yrs without a cup and then buy all the players on the cup team. We did it the old school way and drafted well and molded the players. But you as a ranger fan I am not suprised that you don't understand the concept.

HEY Clem get your facts straight the 94 Rangers were built by some home grown talent and mainly trades or like the case of Graves and Messier signed as free agents at least 3 years befor the Cup. Oh I guess the old school way is to come in by expansion and handed some nice draft picks and then finishing last or close to it for the next three years and getting rewarded with more good draft picks. You give any GM 4 or 5 years of great draft picks they should be able to produce a winner.(Except such idiots as Milbury and Esposito)

The Facts wrote:

Ok, ok. Let us take a look at some facts if you want to talk about teams with history. Again, these are just pure facts and I am not starting anything.
The NY Rangers have been in the league since 1926. Let us take a look at some facts.
From 1926-1967- the NYR missed the Playoffs 19 out of 40 times while there were no more than 10 teams at a given time in the league and 6 make the playoffs. This was where they won 3 of their league championships
however they only needed to win 2 short playoff series to do so
because of the few number of teams.
From 1942 to 1967 while there were no more than 6 teams in this
league, they did not qualify for the playoffs 18 times in those
25 years. Of the 7 times that they did qualify in those 25 years,
they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 6 times.
From 1968 through the 2007-08 season (expansion era), they did much better as far as their playoff missing percentage. Only failed to qualify 11 times. 7 of those times in a row from 1998-2004 despite having THE highest payroll in the league.
The NY Islanders entered the league during the 1972-73 season. Since 1972, with at least 21 teams in the league and a 4 round playoff setup, they have missed the playoffs 14 times. Of those 14, 7 in a row from 1994-2001. 4 of those years with the LOWEST league payroll and 1 of those with an owner who bought the team under fraudulent pretenses for not having any money. Of the 20 times that they have qualified for the playoffs in a 4 playoff round system, they have won 4 championships, been to a finals and lost, and lost in the 3rd round 5 times. If you are keeping count, thats 10 out of 30 years that they have went to the 3rd round or further. Now since there were 4 rounds and not 2 since their inception, they own the record for most series victories in a ROW in ANY sport at 19 series wins in a row.
Here are the Rangers and Islanders records from the 1972-73 season through the 2007-08 season.
NY Rangers 2796 GP 1257-1158-326-37-18 2895 points
NY Islanders 2796 GP 1223-1170-357-35-11 2849 points
The Rangers hold the lead by a measly 46 points but keep in mind that the Isles were an expansion team and needed 2 seasons to get accustomed to the league while the Rangers were an established team for 45 years at that point coming off of a Stanley Cup Finals appearance the season before the Isles entered the league.
Not counting the 1972-73 season for both teams since the Isles were new, here is the breakdown.
NY Islanders 2718 GP 1211-1110-351-35-11 2819 points
NY Rangers 2718 GP 1210-1135-318-37-18 2793 points
The Rangers have been the better team for the past 3 seasons. No question about it. However, this thesis is to illustrate to the young ones and people not familiar with history the pure facts. It is amazing how a team that has been around for nearly a century accomplished so little compared to a team that has only been
around for a quarter of the former team's existence. Heck, forget comparing the two. It is just purely amazing how little the Rangers have accomplished. It is more astonishing to see their many failures.
Speaking of failures, here is the NY Rangers playoff record since 1973.
235 GP 116-119
Lets compare it to the Islanders' playoff record over that same time period.
240 GP 134-106
In summary, one can only conclude that just by looking at the facts and putting your team allegiances aside that the NY Islanders, despite their problems throughout the 1990's, have been historically a more succesful product than the NY Rangers.

Did you know that late in the season and in the playoffs, the Rangers did not play games at home (until Emile Francis fixed that when he was the coach) because the circus took priority ? Kinda hard to win, when you dont play any home games (see the 1950 finals, which they lost in 7 games.... in OT)

Overall, you dont have to share Rangers history with me, I am pretty up to speed on their history. I can easily admit that the Rangers are not one of the greatest, most winning teams in hockey. They still have a big part of hockey history, regardless if people want to acknowledge it or not. Maybe you dont think the Rangers accomplished anything, but without Lester Patrick, the Isles probably wouldnt even be around.
History of pure fact ??? You just throw out numbers, without providing any substance behind the numbers. You keep looking at numbers. I'll watch hockey.

I doubt the above Isles fan knows that the Rangers did not play games at home up through the 70's because the circus took priority. Kinda hard to win in the playoffs when you dont play any home games (for instance the 1950 finals which the Rangers lost in game 7 .... in OT).

Comparing the Rangers record and the Isles records is somewhat misleading. Teams played a different amount of games back during the original 6 days. Im not taking anything away from the Isles and what they've done, but to say the Rangers havent accomplished anything is pretty silly. In case you havent noticed, the Chicago Blackhawks have been around longer, and have won less cups.

to correct the post above: Rangers didnt play home PLAYOFF games up thru the 70's.

And here is an extra post, cause I feel pretty silly having replied about 20 times.

enjoy the weekend all.

Ok so you use the circus as an excuse for all of the Rangers' follies since entering the league until Emile Francis swooped in. That's fine. I'll take it and laugh. Most of what was said above had to do with Rangers and Islanders from 1973 on when the Islanders existed.

Did the Rangers contend with the circus from 1998-2004 when they were missing the playoffs with the HIGHEST payroll? No, they were run like the circus.

The Islanders have been HORRID from 1989-2008 despite 1993 and 2002 yet still have a better overall playoff record and regular season record (minus 72-73). The Rangers have had the last 20 years and a $hitload of resources to catch up to the Islanders yet HAVE NOT.

This could finally be the year, Rangers fans!!!!!!!

Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:

Comparing the Rangers record and the Isles records is somewhat misleading. Teams played a different amount of games back during the original 6 days.

No its not misleading because I was comparing the Rangers and Islanders record from when the Isles entered the league in 1972-73 and not the Rangers original 6 days.

Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:

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Lester Patrick meant more to hockey than your Isles team will ever mean.
Have a great weekend.

This the answer Id expect from an idiot oh I mean a rag fan.